Anyone else had problems with traction and wheel spin with this model. Not sure whether its the tyres or something else. But a quick getaway is a problem if there is no friction with the road. Perhaps when the warmer weather arrives it may not be a problem.

Any one from warmer climes with that model and Bridgestone tyres care to comment?

I would have preferred a 4WD / quattro version of the 3.2 but its not an option on the EOS. Perhaps it will come eventually or perhaps in an Audi version.

Gogg,
Thats not just the T FSI. I get it with mine. Says on top gear site EOS is renowned for lack of traction. Come round a roundabout, straighten up on dual carriageway. Boot it and traction light come on...Its a fault they have.

Ps: Ive said the same problem in previous posts.

Laura

Hi GOgg,

2.0TFSI here too and it's pretty eager to let the wheels spin when you hit the loud pedal :) I've put it down to my right foot ( as I had similar things happen with the old Golf).

If it matters i'm on 18s with Dunlop Sport SP01 rubber.

Si

Standing still at right about. Need to get out quick. Boot it will happen.
Had mark 5 golf. When it was running never had bad traction, like EOS.

Looks like its a common problem then and little or nothing can be done about it. Just have to be a bit less heavy with the right foot. Not so much fun though.

On another note I have not had the stability control come on yet (I don't think) but in my old Corolla T Sport it could be dangerous. I once put the power on going round a circle and all it wanted to do was go in a straight line. Very scarry:eek:

It probably has but you havent noticed. Yellow light will flicker on on the dash board.

Laura

...interesting - my EOS arrives in April and have an Audi A4 Quattro with 2.0TFSI - perhaps expectedly [with 4WD] the traction is laid down effortlessly - I too would have preferred a quattro Eos, sounds like there is a need, and was surprised that even at this early stage there was no option.

Paul:cool:

...interesting - my EOS arrives in April and have an Audi A4 Quattro with 2.0TFSI - perhaps expectedly [with 4WD] the traction is laid down effortlessly - I too would have preferred a quattro Eos, sounds like there is a need, and was surprised that even at this early stage there was no option.

Paul:cool:

Yea, that's what I wanted. I think the problem may be even worse with the V6. It's on the Golf R32 (not quite Quattro though) but no option for the Eos. Pity, but It may be around when it comes to part exchange, I can live in hope.

Just my 2 cents,

I've found, since I've upgraded my springs, that the wheels spin issue has decreased dramatically under hard acceleration. I can still light them up if I wanted to but not as easily as before. I believe that has to do alot with the tendancy for our cars to do a rear squat under hard acceleration which puts more weight and down force towards the rear. This is more evident when the top is down. This action would be fine if our cars were rear wheel drive. ( I wish) But being they are front wheel drive this takes weight off the front wheels causing them to spin easily. When I upgraded my springs, I found the rear squat to be pretty much eliminated. Therefore keeping more weight and downward force on front drive wheels where we need it. It takes me putting the pedal to the floor to spin the wheels now.

Thanks Karlos,

I like your style regarding moding your new motor but its something I don't think I could face. The easy wayfor me I'm afraid.

Let's hear about any other mods you make and if you have pics lets share them with the group

I've seen that problem, and was quite surprised that the traction control didn;t kick in.. I suspect that its a matter of us learning how to drive the car vs a computer muting every move we make. I figure VW would rather have us compain about spinning tires (which make the car seem like a faster car) than have computer retarded launches....

I would still love to see the quattro system within the Eos. I think it be almost perfect then. I don't see why they don't offer 4WD, its on the R32 but not on the same engined Eos?????

I would still love to see the quattro system within the Eos. I think it be almost perfect then. I don't see why they don't offer 4WD, its on the R32 but not on the same engined Eos?????
Commencing in 2006, VW in Canada limited the 4Motion option to the V6 engine only. My wife has a 2005 Passat 4Motion wagon with the 1.8 Turbo; but in the next model year it was no longer available; otherwise we would have bought the newer model. Overall, there is a big difference in fuel consumption (and initial price) - V6 with 4WD versus four banger with 2WD. Over time, I suspect VW is likely to apply same logic to other brands in addition to Passat.

It may be that the 2009 Audi droptop will offer the 4WD which would differentiate the high end EOS from VW. The traction on the 2.0T could be so much better with the 4motion transmission as well. Hopefully they will consider comments such as the ones on this forum and make the required changes???????

It may be that the 2009 Audi droptop will offer the 4WD which would differentiate the high end EOS from VW. The traction on the 2.0T could be so much better with the 4motion transmission as well. Hopefully they will consider comments such as the ones on this forum and make the required changes???????

VW consider comments such as the ones on this forum? Just remind me which planet you live on GOgg?!

The car is already too heavy without adding 4wd'so you would need the V6 to have any performance,just think of the cost !

The car is already too heavy without adding 4wd'so you would need the V6 to have any performance,just think of the cost !

Yes, it's a vicious circle. You get the bigger engine with more power but the extra weight saps the power and you end up with performance figures similar to the smaller engine but use a lot more fuel achieving them..

Try reading the Audi TT Convertible test in this week's 'Auto Express'. They reckon the 2.0 T-FSI is the better engine (than the 3.2 V6) in this car because the car's so much lighter without the weight of the engine and 4WD transmission that the performance is the same and the handling more nimble.

Similar argument might apply to the Eos (although without the weight of the 4WD admittedly) because the performance gain of the V6 is minimal to say the least.

Yes, it's a vicious circle. You get the bigger engine with more power but the extra weight saps the power and you end up with performance figures similar to the smaller engine but use a lot more fuel achieving them..

Try reading the Audi TT Convertible test in this week's 'Auto Express'. They reckon the 2.0 T-FSI is the better engine (than the 3.2 V6) in this car because the car's so much lighter without the weight of the engine and 4WD transmission that the performance is the same and the handling more nimble.

Similar argument might apply to the Eos (although without the weight of the 4WD admittedly) because the performance gain of the V6 is minimal to say the least.
My daughter has the TT 3.2 and I must say, having driven the 2.0T version as well, I much prefer the 3.2 version.

The 4wd is really good but the mpg the opposite.

My wife bought the EOS because having had an SLK in 97'
she found the rear space in the EOS acceptable compared to the non existant of the SLK.

The problem with the EOS is that the diesel is quite slow by comparison to the petrol versions and the petrol versions are both very thirsty ! We had an A3 2.0 TDI prior to the EOS and whilst the MPG was very good,the noise was
pretty awful when pushed.

Interesting. Now I've had the chance to compare, while my A4 Quattro was brilliant as far as I'm concerned, and the traction was good, [and I was a bit worried about the Eos in terms of roadholding] - now I've covered 1500 miles in the Eos along many A B and C roads, I'm taken with the handling. Its a sharp drive, and I've whizzed around tight bends at speed and just felt secure, pour on the power and she just tightens up and goes through on tramlines.

I'm not sure I want/need 4wd now with this performance

We test drove the TT 3.2 and I must say I prefer the 2.0T. Not a lot of difference in straight-line performance, more weight, and not as much fun to corner in as the 2.0T - plus you need a petrol tanker in tow [I cover 150 miles daily on my commute - too much time at the pumps!]. Sounds great though - can't beat the noise!! It was the only other car I considered but a 6 month+ wait time killed it dead!!!

Paul:cool:

"C" roads ! are they what we call ploughed fields up here....

VW consider comments such as the ones on this forum? Just remind me which planet you live on GOgg?!

Not quite sure what you meant there.

If a quality company does not use every means at its disposal to establish what customers think about their products, especially free ones like specific internet sites. They would soon sink into oblivion.
Customer feedback, (especially the good, the bad is easy you get that from complaints) is difficult to get and expensive so every and all avenues need to be explored.

This car was designed with the roof as the main priority therefore, what is spent on the engineering in one place is taken from somewhere else (stands to reason, no free lunch here). To prove this why would a huge company like VW take the front axle from the Golf and the back axle from the Passat rather than develop axles for the Eos alone. This would cost more. Also why are the plastics lower down in the cabin harder / cheaper than slightly older VW’s. They need to spend less in some areas so they can spend more in others, in this case the roof. To that end I believe the aim of the design team regarding handling and ride was to do there best and make it ideal for normal open top driving rather than taking on the hot hatch types.
You will also find that OE tyres sometimes harder than aftermarket ones so they last longer and the consumer thinks “they lasted well lets get some more”. For a good launch feed the clutch in gentler and keep the car as flat and straight as possible. Gaining initial traction is hard but once momentum is gained power can be added.
As for slow TDi’s, I wish VW fitted the 170PS engine from the Golf in mine.
RgdS Paj

Not quite sure what you meant there.

If a quality company does not use every means at its disposal to establish what customers think about their products, especially free ones like specific internet sites. They would soon sink into oblivion.
Customer feedback, (especially the good, the bad is easy you get that from complaints) is difficult to get and expensive so every and all avenues need to be explored.


Agree they should but my experience of car companies is that they are not geared up to take a lot of notice of what we think. They don't even take much notice of what motoring journos think, never mind us. They are very slow to react to any kind of criticism.

Not quite sure what you meant there.

If a quality company does not use every means at its disposal to establish what customers think about their products, especially free ones like specific internet sites. They would soon sink into oblivion.
Customer feedback, (especially the good, the bad is easy you get that from complaints) is difficult to get and expensive so every and all avenues need to be explored.


Also GOgg - I would be very surprised indeed if anyone from VW even knew this site existed!

Also GOgg - I would be very surprised indeed if anyone from VW even knew this site existed!
Now wouldn't you be surprised if you got "snubbed" next time you took your car in .... because "big brother" had been watching! Just joking!

Also GOgg - I would be very surprised indeed if anyone from VW even knew this site existed!

We found it easily enough, I just typed Eos into Google. However I take your point. In big business whether its cars or pharmaceuticals etc information is king. If you can get it for nothing then it's a bonus.:)

Coming back to the original point it was said a few years ago that there was no point putting more than (iirc) about 125 bhp into a front wheel drive car - you can't use the power because the wheels spin.

I had a 1.8T Passat without TC and you could easily get the front end to go sideways at a junction (i.e. both front wheels spinning) - very easy in the wet!

What we have now is many modern cars with too much power and traction control to avoid the wheel spin - either you learn to use your right foot correctly, learn how to modify the suspension to improve it (but that may make other areas worse), or live with it.

It is one of the issues with buying a FWD car with 200bhp, or huge torque, - you just can't use it at low speed, and using it at high speed is illegal!

Finally found the weights on the Audi web-site. Quattro adds 100kg to an A3so it would be like driving around with 2 people in the back all the time.

In simple terms it would make an empty 2.0TDI EOS a quarter of a ton heavier than my Accord estate!

That is why VW don't offer it!

The reason the Eos doesn't offer a 4-Motion variant is the fact that there is not enough room in the back of the car. Have a look at the FWD and AWD versions of the Golf and the Passat and you will find a higher floor in the rear cargo area. This is to accommodate the additional hardware under the floor for the rear drive. There is very little room available already as evidenced by the placement of the batteries in the trunk of the 3.2 now.

So unless you go to a fabric roof or have an even higher rear body you will also be going without the 4-Motion option. It just won't fit.

Thanks sydeos, I had not appreciated the fact that it takes up so much extra room. I would therefore suspect that this is probably the main driving force in not offering it on the Eos.

Thanks for all your comments its been very informative, what a great bunch you are!

I collected my 2.0TFSI at the beginning of May,. From the start it pulled to the right when accelerating/braking. Dealer eventually changed a caliper and two front tyres and reckons that has done the trick. It is a lot better but I am not sure wheher I am just not used to the (really) firm ride (previously had a Mk 4 Golf GTi) which might be the wheels or whether the brakes are still binding. I have Chicago 18" wheels and Dunlop tyres. Choppy ride and not as good as on original test car. Am I just being silly or has anyone else had similar problems? Great otherwise.

2.0TFSI, Shadow Blue, cream leather, luxury pack, 18"Chicagos

I collected my 2.0TFSI at the beginning of May,. From the start it pulled to the right when accelerating/braking. Dealer eventually changed a caliper and two front tyres and reckons that has done the trick. It is a lot better but I am not sure wheher I am just not used to the (really) firm ride (previously had a Mk 4 Golf GTi) which might be the wheels or whether the brakes are still binding. I have Chicago 18" wheels and Dunlop tyres. Choppy ride and not as good as on original test car. Am I just being silly or has anyone else had similar problems? Great otherwise.

2.0TFSI, Shadow Blue, cream leather, luxury pack, 18"Chicagos


See you have 18" Chicagos which may explain the harder ride than your demo, which maybe had 17" (or even 16") wheels.

The bigger the wheels the thinner the tyres so the harder the ride. Big wheels look great but any car mag will tell you it's best to go for smaller ones if you value the ride...

This is an interesting thread, but I think there is a tendency to lose sight of what the Eos is. It's a tourer, not a sports car! I think that its is an excellent tourer too. I knew that was what I was buying and have not been disappointed in any way. If I'd wanted a sports car I would have got the Audi TT (it was a close thing) or something like that. Instead I have four good seats, a masterpiece of a roof, at least 500 miles to the tankful (it's the TDi) and very reasonable insurance. Yes, even with the diesel you can spin the wheels in second if there's any lock on, but how long does it take to learn not to?

What does surprise me is that VW seem intent on keeping the model a secret. Maybe I read the wrong papers, but I never see any adverts for the Eos. Is the factory at capacity?

Good Eosing

Noel

I think w are also, all losing track that WE ARE THE DRIVERS! NOT THE CARS!!! I think we have gotten too reliant on computers... I think the traction issue with the eos has to do with the fact that VW would rather there be some slippage that the driver can modulate, than to restrict power should the user need it.

I think people with the standard 6 speed will have it a little easier as they can modualte the transfer fo power witht he clutch, meanwhile us DSG-ers will have to learn two things with the eos: The transition at around 2000-25000 rpm to turbopower (that sounds kewl...) and the introduction of full torque at that early rpm with a front wheel car.

For those still looking to buy a 2.0t eos, and you are a street light pedal masher, i'd say consider the standard tranny if you want full launch control. Nothing beats a clutch. Otherwise the DSG is a remarkable piece of engineering...

I think w are also, all losing track that WE ARE THE DRIVERS! NOT THE CARS!!! I think we have gotten too reliant on computers... I think the traction issue with the eos has to do with the fact that VW would rather there be some slippage that the driver can modulate, than to restrict power should the user need it.

I think people with the standard 6 speed will have it a little easier as they can modualte the transfer fo power witht he clutch, meanwhile us DSG-ers will have to learn two things with the eos: The transition at around 2000-25000 rpm to turbopower (that sounds kewl...) and the introduction of full torque at that early rpm with a front wheel car.

For those still looking to buy a 2.0t eos, and you are a street light pedal masher, i'd say consider the standard tranny if you want full launch control. Nothing beats a clutch. Otherwise the DSG is a remarkable piece of engineering...

100% agree - full manual control and 'feel the force Luke' works best for me!!

Incidentally - I DOOO like a little wheel spin on occasion - how sad am I!!!

Paul:cool:

100% agree - full manual control and 'feel the force Luke' works best for me!!

Incidentally - I DOOO like a little wheel spin on occasion - how sad am I!!!

Paul:cool:

Not sad at all smoggy. I'd be very dissapointed if I didnt get a little bit of wheel spin. Got to have some fun! (Oh well perhaps we are a little bit sad!)
Only had mine a week but very impressed with overall handling, acceleration and road holding. I do find the brakes a bit squishy although they seem to stop the car OK.
David

Is the tires, i have Continental ContiSportContact2 R17 235 and i feel the same at the beginning, they told me is a question of adaptacion you feel the car loosing traction but is false.

I personally am THRILLED that they don't have some computer garbage controlling wheel spin. It all comes down to learning to drive the car. Every once in a while I get impatient and spin the tires, but it just takes learning when to punch the gas. Yes it is easier to get a bit of squealing than I had with my rear wheel drive SUV but it is also fun to squeal it every now and then.

I agree.... I love the handling of my 2.0 T-FSI DSG... I think it's great (although I did have a Smart Car before!)

Wheel spin took some getting used to... as did the very light stearing when putting foot down hard... but all in all, thats part of the fun that is driving the EOS!

Indeed it is!

Hi,

I have the 2.0 TFSI w US all terrain tires on the 18" Samarkand rims and, the sport package. Mine handles quite well, of course I can make the front wheels spin if I want on certain road surfaces but had the same issue with my Acura Legend with 3.0 Liter V6 I had a few years ago, part of the price of having a light car with front wheel drive and a huge engine. I love the 2.0T it is the right balance of power at your command and great fuel economy for such as fun car to drive!

Randy

White 2007 EOS 2.0 TFSI w Sport Suspension, 18"

What are the Samarkand rims? I thought the Chicago's were the only 18" rim options! Maybe that's just the UK!

Do you have any photos of them?

What are the Samarkand rims? I thought the Chicago's were the only 18" rim options! Maybe that's just the UK!

Do you have any photos of them?

Thar ya go!

spotted this on the vwvortex site

it says 235/45 but must be 235/40 surely

http://www.hostdub.com/albums/PanEuropean/Eos_Wheels_3.jpg

The Chicago's I have are 235/40 R18s.....

I can see they are essentially 18" versions of the Le Mans 17"s....

Looking at the picture, I think they are 235/40 R18s..... I think it's a misprint. You can see it is a lower profile (40% of 235mm compared to 45% of 235mm)!

I have the Samarkands and they are nothing like the Le Mans. That is not a good photo and the wheel has quite a deep 3D turbine profile.


This is taken from the Australian Specs - Alloy wheels

Chicago 18 x 8” alloy wheels with 235/40 R18 tyres (4) and sports suspension (lowered 15mm) from Volkswagen Individual.

Samarkand 18 x 8” alloy wheels with 235/40 R18 tyres (4) and sports suspension (lowered 15mm) from Volkswagen Individual.


Check on my link below for some better photos.

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x217/sydeos/

I see what you mean... They are very nice indeed :)

I have the Samarkands and they are nothing like the Le Mans. That is not a good photo and the wheel has quite a deep 3D turbine profile.


This is taken from the Australian Specs - Alloy wheels

Chicago 18 x 8” alloy wheels with 235/40 R18 tyres (4) and sports suspension (lowered 15mm) from Volkswagen Individual.

Samarkand 18 x 8” alloy wheels with 235/40 R18 tyres (4) and sports suspension (lowered 15mm) from Volkswagen Individual.


Check on my link below for some better photos.

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x217/sydeos/

Yes I agree thats a better photo, the samarkands have a twist in the spokes which gives them a more 'racey' look.
David

I have noticed wheelspin but I guess that it is just something that you get used to. Each car drives differently and you just have to adapt your driving style.
Before having my EOS Individual 2.0Tfsi I had a R32. I do sometimes miss the AWD \ 4WD sometimes but performance in the EOS is better than I expected.
My ideal would be a 4WD EOS but I guess that is not possible because as someone has already posted having 4WD reduced your boot capacity.

You soon get into the habit of avoiding the wheelspins. I intially thought that I could never get used to it but it comes gradually. I really wished for 4WD as well but I suppose the boot space is already a compromise before you stick extra bits in. However I think I could live with that, there's always the back seats.

I have the DSG... If you want to take off without spin, floor it, then as the engine revs, lift foot off, then floor again as it pulls off... Works a treat.. Beats most other cars, including some loser in a 325i who thought he could beat me.... He spent far too much of his time changing gears!! ;)