if so what do you have????

I am not certain if this topic is relevant to this forum even if confined to the Driver's Lounge section :confused: .

Would appreciate some feedback from regular users on how they feel about this. Please PM me if you do not want your views on public display.

I am not certain if this topic is relevant to this forum even if confined to the Driver's Lounge section
Hi Silvershadow

As a group of similar minded "friends / colleagues" who have come together from all walks of life because of a common interest in our cars, I personally do not see why this subject should not be discussed on the driver's lounge topics. Sadly there is a stigma round owning and/or the use of guns, which is usaully the shouting of the uneducated.

Within the UK even Bisley (the home of UK shooting) is promoting the use of guns through various associated clubs to them, many of those clubs having youngster open days last dsummer, pormoting the correct ownership and use of. If we unfrotunately stick our heads in the sand each time there is bad press, many who enjoy the sport will eventually miss out.

To rise to the heights of world competition is very demanding, no less than the input of many other types of sportsmen.

Did you know there is even a movement these days growing for the banning of fishing.

Derek

I think we should ban the "banners".

Acting with my mod hat on I can see no valid reason why this topic should be removed.

Greenhumanjames correctly posted it in the lounge rather than the general forum.

I know that firearms to some are not highly regarded, but they are a point for healthy adult discussion and provided it is kept on topic I can not see any reason why it should be removed.

its in the 'other topics' for a reason...what if i wanted to make a thread about drinking beer? everyone does it so no harm no foul. i too personally own a somewhat large assortment of firearms and i have been taught the correct way to use them.the list includes:12 gauge 30-30 a couple pellet guns a .410 and a .22 rifle. been around them all my life. people dont kill people guns kill people. keep guns out of the hands of criminals and keep them in the hands of law enforcement and for the people who feel the need to defend their property.:)

its in the 'other topics' for a reason...what if i wanted to make a thread about drinking beer? everyone does it so no harm no foul. i too personally own a somewhat large assortment of firearms and i have been taught the correct way to use them.the list includes:12 gauge 30-30 a couple pellet guns a .410 and a .22 rifle. been around them all my life. people dont kill people guns kill people. keep guns out of the hands of criminals and keep them in the hands of law enforcement and for the people who feel the need to defend their property.:)

So when you say defend their property - does that include your Eos? If someone was trying to steal your Eos you would shoot them??! (And I thought me and StephB were protective:rolleyes: !) Jeeeeeez... ;)

"keep them in the hands of law enforcement and for the people who feel the need to defend their property"
Hi Bugger

Unfortunately in the UK defending your property is a sore subject, if I used "excessive force" to protect myself, I would find myself facing a jain sentence, as others already have. One guy in particular did shoot an intruder in the back side or leg, he was charged by the police and servied a custodial sentence.

It actually caused an outcry in the UK and he was parolled early, but the law did not change

Derek

"keep them in the hands of law enforcement and for the people who feel the need to defend their property"
Hi Bugger

Unfortunately in the UK defending your property is a sore subject, if I used "excessive force" to protect myself, I would find myself facing a jain sentence, as others already have. One guy in particular did shoot an intruder in the back side or leg, he was charged by the police and servied a custodial sentence.

It actually caused an outcry in the UK and he was parolled early, but the law did not change

Derek



There has been something about a change in the law in the news recently, and I think there's a bit more leeway in what you can do now to protect your property wihtout getting jailed yourself. Still doesn't include shooting intruders though!

To answer the original question, CZ75 (wonderful 9MM), but looking to get a Kel-Tec P11 for conceal carry.

Never had a pistol. Used to have a Remington 358 for hunting but since been passed on to my nephew. I am not against gun ownership, but I think as a society we have become unable to settle differences between two disputing parties without pulling a gun and shooting someone. Carrying concealed weapons doesn't help and probably won't contribute greatly to one's safety. Criminals don't care and there is no gun legislation that will change that.

That runs contrary to most of the states (48 now) that have increasingly enacted conceal carry laws. Actually criminals do care about gun legislation. There is a reason why rental cars in Florida were targeted by criminals. It was because criminals knew they could assume tourists would not have weapons and would be less likely to fight back. There is a University of Maryland study that indicates the reduction of violent crime in states that have enacted conceal carry laws.

What is most important is properly screening and training potential gun owners and having stiff penalties for the criminals who do not follow them so that additional jail time can be tacked on when they do use weapons to perpetrate crimes (which does happen in many cases).

I don't know how it is where you are but we are a major hub of drug distribution here. The stakes and money is too high for the criminals to worry or care about gun laws. These people are the ones bringing in the illegal guns and they are getting into the hands of the street gangs and organized crime groups. The general street thug who isn't involved with the drug trade may have some concern if they get caught. Sometimes they do and get back out on the street and do it all over. You may hear about the drive by shootings we have from time to time. These are street gangs. They get their guns from underground sources. No gun law or screening stops it. When the restrictions are enforced, it is usually on those who are the innocent gun owners who legally get their guns. And these people become victims of those who care not for the law. The rental cars in Florida were targeted because the criminals knew them by the numbers on the plates. The cars were broken into because they were easy targets. As time went on, people in the rentals were attacked because they were in these "marked" cars. People who go on vacation don't carry guns as they are allowed on planes only under very limited conditions. Most car renters are also fliers. As I was saying hardened criminals don't care or obey guns laws or most laws for that matter. That's part of why our prisons are overcrowded.

Sorry, but I am clear missing something here.

Why does anyone NEED a gun.

I can understand people on the land (who may have to put down an injured animal), or possibly people in a gun club (who if they are shooting on a range could use non lethal guns), but what other good (and sane) reasons are there?:confused:

"Why does anyone NEED a gun."

Clearly it is horses for courses, from what our states side friends have shown there are some areas it oculd be said they need them to protect themselves, or at the very least give them peace of mind.

As others have reported, it is not the guns that do the damage, its the idot behind the trigger.

Shooting at a high level (in competitions) is very challenging, very difficult to reach but very satifying.

Personally I enjoy it, I find it a much better decipline (certainly more rewarding) than spending my spare time watching, for example, over rated over paid permadona's kick a ball round a football pitch. (there you go, bet the latter comment gets some responses).

Derek

Yes derek I agree wholehartadly! I'm a fireman so as you can imagine working with 9 guys the footie is constantly the topic of discussion..and I can't stand it!!!!..ok people are free to enjoy what they wish (within reason) but nothing quite as rewarding as hitting a bull with my 7.62mm rifle at 1000 yards down at bisley.

here in the US you can shoot intruders IF they are in your house. that said they would have a slight chance of crawling out of this house as me and my father have no problem with the whole 'shooting intruders' thing. my dad was trained how to use a rifle in the army plus he hunted all the time when he was growing up. he is an expert marksman that impresses me everytime the hammer clicks...ok enough gloating...:p :o

:eek: This whole topic is ludicrous and has nothing to do with the VW Eos. Delete for goodness sake. I am outraged with such a thread. :mad:

"Johnnyboy

This whole topic is ludicrous and has nothing to do with the VW Eos. Delete for goodness sake. I am outraged with such a thread"

It is in the Drivers Lounge (other topics) if you do not like it then why log onto to this thread.

Derek

Outraged?......LOL

My fella has some guns i like playing with them, i only shoot cans nothing major :)

Steph xx

Steph

Good on ya Steph,there is nothing wrong with guns when used correctly

Del

I'm a pretty good shot for a girl too :D

He wont take me to the gun club though :( its supposedly full of dirty men!

I dont see the problem with discussing guns its a drivers lounge we can talk about anything we want.


Steph xx

So when you say defend their property - does that include your Eos? If someone was trying to steal your Eos you would shoot them??! (And I thought me and StephB were protective:rolleyes: !) Jeeeeeez... ;)

If I was at Mathews house and someone was near my car yes i would shoot them with a pellete gun ;) ha ha ha told you i was protective, it wouldn't do much harm i dont think

I wouldnt shoot to kill :)

Steph xx

way to go steph!! at least give them a slim fighting chance at not doing it again!! lol!!:p

Talking about protecting yor vehicle

Some time back did anyone see that anti theft device which was in effect flame throwers under the sills, which caught the legs of any burglar who was attempting entry to you doors. Bit extreme but what a "blast" though, I heard it was duly banned.

Derek

Talking about protecting yor vehicle

Some time back did anyone see that anti theft device which was in effect flame throwers under the sills, which caught the legs of any burglar who was attempting entry to you doors. Bit extreme but what a "blast" though, I heard it was duly banned.

Derek

I seen the pics also there was some sort of machette aswell wasnt there? I'd do that too if it was legal over here :mad: it would teach people to keep away wouldn't it :cool:

Steph xx

my next car is going to be covered in primer so it should keep all the thugs away....should...:p