Apologies if you've already seen this but check this link, scary stuff!
B&B continues its high-performance aftermarket packages aimed at the vehicles produced by the German brand with an Eos tuning kit. The upgrade includes both engineering and styling improvements, with a maximum power of up to 500 hp for the highest power level. :eek:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/b-b-vw-eos-500-hp-0-60-mph-in-42-seconds-5384.html

Apologies if you've already seen this but check this link, scary stuff!




Just another way to separate a fool from their money - seriously this car would not be suitable as a daily driver and would be eaten alive on the track by other more suitable vehicles with AWD [think Mitsubishi EVO, Subaru WRX Sti etc].

Higher power = more engine bay heat = faster deterioration of components = higher servicing costs

For the fanatic only.

There's no way that would do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. There's be 4.2 seconds just in wheelspin before the rubber grabbed the road!

Just another way to separate a fool from their money - seriously this car would not be suitable as a daily driver and would be eaten alive on the track by other more suitable vehicles with AWD [think Mitsubishi EVO, Subaru WRX Sti etc].

Higher power = more engine bay heat = faster deterioration of components = higher servicing costs

For the fanatic only.

AWD for the track? Meh. I'll take my RWD Porsche any day over a grocery-getter/boy racer EVO, thank you very much!

Back on topic - a 500hp Eos? Sounds like snake oil to me. Sure, you can make 500hp out of just about any car - but would you want to? You think you have a leaking roof with your stock motor? Talk about cowl shake!! And you think your VW dealer is taking you for a ride with the cost to maintain your Eos? Wait till you start servicing your tuned Eos-monster!

Speaking of Porsches - a friend of mine has a modified 944 turbo - it is putting out about 500hp at the crank. But there isn't a piece on that motor that hasn't been modified, strengthened or completely replaced. Even then, his yearly operating costs are very high. (But he's a talented driver and he and car perform quite well).

A 500hp Eos? For the money, you might as well get a Vette, Viper, or even an AMG Benz / M-BMW.

Just my $0.42,
-Z-man.

AWD for the track? Meh. I'll take my RWD Porsche any day over a grocery-getter/boy racer EVO, thank you very much!

...........-Z-man.



Let's keep things in perspective by comparing like with like. With respect, the Porsche is not a competitor in the same market segment as an Eos so it never will be a fair comparison.

The Mitsubishi and Subaru vehicles cost around the same as the modified Eos so it is a relevant comparison.

As far as AWD and track use goes - Australia has one of the top two road racing circuits in the world, Mount Panorama at Bathurst [the other being the Nurburgring in Germany]. The annual Bathurst 1000Km and 12 hour races are the most important races in our motor racing calendar. Some years ago, AWD vehicles were banned from our touring car races when the AWD Nissan Skyline GT-R consistently beat our local GM and Ford V8 RWD race cars at all circuits but to do it at Bathurst was too much for the other manufacturers who successfully lobbied for the banning of AWD and this ban continues today.

Have a look at the circuit and see if you would like to race your Porsche there - the videos do not show how steep the climb up and descent down the mountain are let alone the view at Skyline where the road drops away and you can only see the horizon and not the road and you have to rely on the flag marshalls to warn you of incidents in the section you cannot see until the nose of your car drops down into the Esses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt_Panorama_Circuit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SawhpwFnLFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKpP1Sd4iHU [good helicopter views]

I am moving this thread into the Driver's Lounge as this is a more appropriate location.

silvershadow -
Sorry, I didn't mean to pick a fight or anything - and I know that AWD can be a very effective tool on the racetrack - but for me, RWD works better. I can get a RWD car to rotate much better in a turn than an AWD car.

AWD cars typically exhibit more understeer through a corner. They also have more complexity and weight. But they do work well in terms of lap times -- some of my friends drive Carrera 4S's (Porsche 911 with AWD), and they go like stink. (Doesn't hurt that they have 100+ more hp than I do!)

I guess when it comes to performance driving, I'm old school (or old fart!) - RWD and a traditional 5 speed manual. No traction control, fancy manumatic transmission, AWD...etc.

Oh, and in terms of cost - my track rat 944 is worth about 1/3 the cost of a new Eos. :)

-Z-man.

I don't want to perpetuate any fights here but need to add my 2 cents worth. A 500 horsepower Eos would be insane. The car if dependable would be more of a street car than a racer. The Eos was never designed to be a track car. Here in the states a fully loaded Eos, unmodified, costs as much as an Evo or equivalent Subaru. If I want that much power I would buy a car designed to make use of that amount of power such as a Corvette, Viper, Lambo, Ferrari, and similar cars. Before anyone jumps on me, I am not leaving out BMW, Benz , or Porsche. Most of these cars use engines with more cylinders to get 500 hp as well as have properly designed chassis. As for FWD vs AWD vs RWD, that is an argument that will never go away. They all have their good and bad sides. And one last thing I will add is that when a group sets up races and some one comes along with a track beater, someone always wants to get that car banned. It has happened before. Audi was banned from some races because of their Quattro system. Way back here in the states there was a turbine car that raced and almost won at the Indy 500. The group that ran that race legislated that car out of existence.

Mine is now up to 296bhp and that is enough. You just have to learn the technique of how to pull away and in the wet, damp and slippery I turn it off and revert to normal, but is enough!!!

Im doing 5.42 to 60, no 0-100mph times or quarter as yet but im going to get up to the pod and see how I get on.

Rob

This can't be true I thought anything more than 200bhp would be seriously dangerous for a front wheeled car anyway.

Steph xx

This can't be true I thought anything more than 200bhp would be seriously dangerous for a front wheeled car anyway.

Steph xx


Yes, think there might be a slight wheelspin problem on getaway!

My EOS VR6 comes with 250 bhp from the factory, no problems with wheel spin except when starting on an incline or punching the accelerator hard. I think 250 is plenty for me, I can't imagine doubling it.

Rob

Just noticed this link today to a new Seat Leon 'copa' with the 2.0t engine tuned in the Seat factory to 281 bhp.
Those naughty Spaniards! :)

http://www.motoring.co.uk/news/SEAT%20Leon_11927/

This can't be true I thought anything more than 200bhp would be seriously dangerous for a front wheeled car anyway.

Steph xx


Hi Steph,

Great to see you contributing to what would normally be a "blokey" topic. Your comment is perfectly valid and deserves a serious response so here goes.

The engine power on its own is only part of the driveability equation - what is equally important is the final drive ratio/gearbox ratio combination. For a given gearbox gear ratio setup, a high final drive [differential] ratio say 4:1 gives higher acceleration and better towing capacity but lower top speed than a low final drive ratio say 2.9:1 which gives less acceleration but higher potential top speed [the actual top speed is determined by the engine power curve]. The relevance of this to production vehicles is that a higher power engine can be fitted with a lower final drive ratio and give better cruising fuel consumption than a lower powered engine - this advantage disappears in stop-start city driving so the buyer's choice becomes a trade-off depending on the main use of the car.

In the case of the 500HP Eos, the final use of the car will determine the final drive ratio and gearbox gearset combination. A dragster would use a high final drive ratio for maximum acceleration capability but loss of traction due to wheelspin and frequency of gear changing will determine the final ratio. A circuit racing car will use a range of final drive ratios - the choice being determined by the nature of the circuit and the best combination of acceleration out of corners, hill climbing ability and top speed on the straights. For a normal road car, the final drive ratio will be the one which gives the best driveability and performance; a compromise has to be made between acceleration capabilities, loss of traction problems and, most importantly, driver skill.

Best wishes
David

mmm sounds tasty to me!!:D