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Old 05-04-2019, 02:14 PM   #1
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Well it now looks like the Mayor of London has pushed me into a corner, my EOS won't go inside the new ULEZ which moves out to the A205 south circular in 2021. I have family and fiends who live there and my football team Charlton are also on the inside. It is widely rumoured that the ULEZ will be pushed out to cover everywhere inside the M25 within the next five or so years as all the remaining London boroughs don't wont the pollution pushed out to them. So my EOS is going to have to go sometime next year, I have been looking for a high speck end of line TSI one but there doesn't seem to be that many for sale at the moment.

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Mick,

For those of else who live elsewhere in the world, a brief description of what ULEZ involves would be interesting.

I would have thought a Euro-compliant 2010 TDI would not have an emission problem unless unreasonable specifications are involved.
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I would like to keep my Eos and was thinking that when the motor wears out I would see about an electric conversion. I have just about done 200,000 km in it so maybe another 100,000km before it needs some major work. Give me time to save up.

Get yours converted to electric then you won't have any problems with ULEZ.
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There are now plans within Amsterdam which will eliminate all vehicles with emission within the next 10 years. So, only full electrical!
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Mick,

For those of else who live elsewhere in the world, a brief description of what ULEZ involves would be interesting.

I would have thought a Euro-compliant 2010 TDI would not have an emission problem unless unreasonable specifications are involved.
This is what we in London will have to look forward to.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ult...s?intcmp=52215

As you can see it will affect nearly all diesels built before 2016 and already the London boroughs outside the new zone in October 21 want it pushed out to the M25 in the next few years.

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Mick,

Swappping engines from "written off" VW vehicles with Euro 6 compliant diesels might be one solution. Another may be to install after-market Urea [AdBlue] injection and related catalytic convertor:

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advi...-exhaust-fluid

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Swappping engines from "written off" VW vehicles with Euro 6 compliant diesels might be one solution. Another may be to install after-market Urea [AdBlue] injection and related catalytic convertor:



https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advi...-exhaust-fluid





The cost and labour involved would make this very prohibitive as the EOS TDI never ran on Adblue


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Just found a sight in the uk that converts classic cars to full electric, price from £12,000 to £50,000 depending in range so looks like my EOS has got to go while it still worth something.

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The cost and labour involved would make this very prohibitive as the EOS TDI never ran on Adblue


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True - however my understanding is the AdBlue is injected at the exhaust manifold and activates in the catalytic converter independent of the engine management system.

I think you will find the after-market conversion specialists will quickly become active if this is the case.

I agree that an electric Eos conversion will never happen due to the size and mass of the battery or hydrogen tank if a fuel cell system is used.

Here in the "land down under", I am reasonably certain if such a ULEZ change was proposed, existing cars would be exempt for a reasonable period of time if not forever as was the case when the original emission controls were mandated. The political consequences of your ULEZ implementation rules here would guarantee loss of government for whatever party was foolhardy enough to even float the idea.
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I would like to keep my Eos and was thinking that when the motor wears out I would see about an electric conversion. I have just about done 200,000 km in it so maybe another 100,000km before it needs some major work. Give me time to save up.

Get yours converted to electric then you won't have any problems with ULEZ.
You should be able to put a pretty big battery in that trunk (boot).
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You should be able to put a pretty big battery in that trunk (boot).
High capacity Lithium ion car batteries are not exactly light and the Eos body structure was not designed to carry heavy loads.

I doubt whether an Eos could be converted without additional underbody strengthening for this reason.
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I bought a diesel Peugeot estate just after Christmas. only got 27,000 miles and was 8 years old. Thought it was a good price for a nice car, month later found out why with the Ulez thing coming up. Daughter lives in Vauxhall London, looks like the train from now on.
Really surprised that any goods are in the shops for what they charge the lorries, and what do they do with the money, buy industrial Dysons to purify the air with, or look into flow management to get lower pollution, Betting my shirt they're not.
It's just another way of grabbing money off the peasants. I'm surprised they have not bought back window tax yet, all that money to be grabbed just look at Canary Wharf and work out how many pains of glass are over there.
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True - however my understanding is the AdBlue is injected at the exhaust manifold and activates in the catalytic converter independent of the engine management system.



I think you will find the after-market conversion specialists will quickly become active if this is the case.



I agree that an electric Eos conversion will never happen due to the size and mass of the battery or hydrogen tank if a fuel cell system is used.



Here in the "land down under", I am reasonably certain if such a ULEZ change was proposed, existing cars would be exempt for a reasonable period of time if not forever as was the case when the original emission controls were mandated. The political consequences of your ULEZ implementation rules here would guarantee loss of government for whatever party was foolhardy enough to even float the idea.


Just waiting for similar results to this Brexit farce but the ULEZ is down to the Mayor of London not national government so no compensation for dirty diesels. They have made allowances for classic vehicles forty years and over.

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If they are really worried about us minions and the pollution thatís killing us why is the Mayor encouraging cruise liners to dock at Deptford as they cause as much Nox as 1000,000 diesel cars.

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If they are really worried about us minions and the pollution thatís killing us why is the Mayor encouraging cruise liners to dock at Deptford as they cause as much Nox as 1000,000 diesel cars.

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We have the same problem in Sydney with the huge number of cruise ships that "home port" there and they run their "on board" generators non-stop much to the annoyance of residents in the adjoining suburbs who have to contend with noise and air pollution as the ships use cheap low-grade high-contaminant fuel. The State Government are reluctant to install and mandate the use of on-shore power connections for these ships fearing they will home port elsewhere and they would lose the revenue and on-shore business associated with the home-porting.
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I've been following this too. Other U.K ports like Southampton have elevated pollution because they don't force docking ships to use dockside electricity connections. Since bunker fuel is so cheap to them, they will run their diesels for days whilst in dock and blame motorists for city pollution.

Nothing newer than 2012 will get anywhere near their ultra low limits for diesel. Buying a newer car isn't an answer either because lets face it all combustion engines using fossil fuel (except hydrogen) pollute and manufacturers can't do much more with design. What they have done already is a fudge making engines far to complex and unreliable. Even if they can just meet a pollution threshold from new, there is no guarantee it will be met over the life of the engine or the rules will get tighter.

Electric cars are the only viable option, hybrids are a fudge but if they say they are ok buy one of those until they say they are just as polluting but spread it out away from the city.

The problem for us is the rules are all managed around the OE vehicle specifications and once a car is made and registered it is marked for its life in emissions. Thereforefore it is easy to have an automated system that monitors registration and matches the vehicle records database. This will be exploited by the crooks stealing and cloning reg plates until wireless tracking boxes become compulsory.

Nobody has offered an alternative option of retrospectively modifying vehicles. I'm pretty sure if my Tdi was retrofitted with Adblue it would be o.k, but it would have to be certified and the administration costs would be excessive. But this isn't an option.

I wonder how they are going to deal with all the expired Li-ion batteries and the EV charging infrastructure in such a short period of time? We seem to have jumped quickly on pollution, brought in rules that restrict many vehicles whilst not creating a viable alternative?

With many large high street stores shutting down due to online shopping and futuristic drone deliveries, we will be travelling less into cities by car. Unfortunately, if you do live in a clean zone, bicycles, EV's, electric motor scooters or skateboards will become your mode of transport.

I shall be entering the time of life when I may have to look forward to an electric mobility scooter, although I would rather have a Harley trike! Remember that majority voting elects your local, national and EU representatives and don't sit back leaving it to minorities.

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I guess the reason nobody has come up with a decent solution for retrospectively modifying cars - either with Adblue or by replacing the engine with an electric motor - is because there just wouldn't be the demand for it... yet.

If more of these low-emission zones spring up, you might reach a tipping point where retrofitting is both a good business and a sound choice for the customer. For now, I guess part of the problem would be that the cars that it's worth modifying now have computers managing everything - but if it they made money on a specialist piece of electronic integration like the Smarttop module for the Eos, surely they'd be able to with whatever retrofit solution that could keep all older VW diesels on the road...
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I am a petrol head but we canít keep on destroying the planet the way we are, our grandchildren and great grandchildren will be inheriting a truly effed up place unless we act now.

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I guess the reason nobody has come up with a decent solution for retrospectively modifying cars - either with Adblue or by replacing the engine with an electric motor - is because there just wouldn't be the demand for it... yet.

If more of these low-emission zones spring up, you might reach a tipping point where retrofitting is both a good business and a sound choice for the customer. For now, I guess part of the problem would be that the cars that it's worth modifying now have computers managing everything - but if it they made money on a specialist piece of electronic integration like the Smarttop module for the Eos, surely they'd be able to with whatever retrofit solution that could keep all older VW diesels on the road...
V.W could have taken that decision to offer it on the post 2012 dieselgate recalls and didn't do it. They want to keep selling new cars of whatever kind and not keep older models running. There was talk about not finding space for Adblue reservoirs, but this seems a cop out when even on the EOS, some space could be found under the body near the fuel tank? I would even sacrifice my spare tire for a can of goo for an Adblue retromod.

Unfortunately, with all the checks, tests and engineers certification required, I doubt the likes of halfrauds could do it, or anybody else cheaply? So we will carry on sending older cars to the scrap bin and use environmental resources making new one's which will have their own disposal problems. At the moment I can only see the Far East as manufacturer of EV vehicle parts on the huge scale to meet demand and that will spike world pollution even more. Still, as long as it doesn't blow into London, the mayor will be happy.
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