had just decided to look for a 2.0 diesel for around 18/19k when I came along the new 1.4 tsi - it seems on paper the they are both very similar in terms of performance but the price of the 1.4 means I could buy new ?! - anyone own one or have an opinion ?
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1.4 TSI is a much better choice than the 2.0 diesel price wise, fun wise, sound wise, etc.
A diesel cabrio is a bit of a joke
A diesel cabrio is a bit of a joke
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agree1.4 TSI is a much better choice than the 2.0 diesel price wise, fun wise, sound wise, etc.
A diesel cabrio is a bit of a joke
i would go for petrol every time
plus the new vw tsi range is great and you dont feel your in a tractor
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hey pace which nav do you happen to have? sorry for the ot
I have a 1.4TSI, I've done just over 1000 miles now and I'm very pleased with it. It ssems to have adequate power to me and is very smooth and quiet. Have a look at the thread http://www.vweosclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1166
The roadtest I mentioned in that thread was one of the things that convinced me to buy a 1.4TSI. I have not regretted it - especially with the recent warm weather we've had in the UK.
The roadtest I mentioned in that thread was one of the things that convinced me to buy a 1.4TSI. I have not regretted it - especially with the recent warm weather we've had in the UK.
I was waiting for the diesel crowd to bite back !! It's very odd that if you search the Vw approved used cars there isn't a single 1.4tsi, so does that show they are very good an no one is selling or no one is buying in the first place ?!
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Well, if this forum is typical of Eos ownership generally then over 50 pct of UK Eoses are diesel!
And haven't read a complaint at all about the diesel engine so assume people are delighted with them!
I have the 2.0TDI and there is nothing wrong with it its quiet and you cant tell its a diesel apart from the badge on the back. The only difference you will notice is that the petrol dsg is 1 second faster than the diesel off the mark but in the long run im quite sure it would beat a 1.4tsi if anyone is up for the challenge i am
Its a bit like saying white chocolate is rubbish compared to milk chocolate because its white. The tdi also has more torque than a petrol so uphills you would be moving out of my way!!
Its a bit like saying white chocolate is rubbish compared to milk chocolate because its white. The tdi also has more torque than a petrol so uphills you would be moving out of my way!!
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Personally I wouldn't even think of swapping my 2.0 TFSI for a diesel. I just prefer the characteristics of petrol engines.
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I agree, I don't think I would go for a TDi until the performance matches that of the petrol and also the noise levels are considerably reduced. There are some good high performance diesels out there, the BMW ones especially. Once they all get as good as the petrol I may then consider them.
Here in the UK unless you do at least 12k miles a year the economics also don't make it worthwhile paying the premium for the fuel and the higher price of the car
Here in the UK unless you do at least 12k miles a year the economics also don't make it worthwhile paying the premium for the fuel and the higher price of the car
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A diesel produces big dollops of torque in a fairly restricted rev range. It's not necessary to change gear much to get the maximum out of its performance potential.
Personally I like to use the gears and rev the engine to its red-line, which is generally 2/3000 rpm more than a diesel's.
This is probably why diesels will never actually supplant petrol engines in sports cars, even though some makers are starting to offer them as alternatives.
In the Sunday Times this weekend Andrew English wrote that there's a good reason Porsche don't offer diesels in any of their sports cars: they know perfectly well they have no place in a sports car at all!
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I travel 25-30,000kms per year in city traffic and on motoways, the diesel is so far ahead of the petrol in stop and crawl and cruising motorways and hilly main roads because of the low down torque. To run to red line in any gear but 1st or 2nd will lead to flashing red and blue lights pretty quickly here or a very bright flash and a letter/bill in the mail.
The Eos is NOT a sports car and never will be as long as it is a FWD, true sports cars are RWD or AWD, the Eos is an Eos.
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True enough. Of course I don't rev to the limit all the time; far from it! But I like to when I can.
As you say the Eos is not a sports car but it is a brilliant all-rounder in that it performs extremely well with the 2.0 TFSI engine; it handles well; it can seat 4; and last but not least - you can drop the top!
So it may not be a sports car in the traditional sense (Caterham, TVR etc) in that it's not hardcore, but for an everyday, practical and city car it does a pretty good imitation of one and is the closest I can get away with!
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Hi
As 2.0 TDI DSG driver, I needed to enter the discussion...
I'd be happy to drive a 2.0TFSI or 3.2 EOS... Yet I made a money/reason-based decision, due to speedometers mushrooming everywhere here, and to my bank account that I wanted to allow me other plesaures in life!!!
If I had more money to spend on a convertible, I'd have chosen a 2-seater, a 6+ cylinder, 300hp+ sports-convertible, and that would have been a thirsty noisy mean shiny german ot italian dreamcar... for a 'real' experience... Now, I needed a true 4-seater, at a reasonable price and the 2.0 TDI EOS sounded as best value for money, since not even the 3.2 gasoline can provide the sound/musical pleasure of a Ferrari or BMW M3 convertible, although, again, I'd have loved to get one and decided last minute to change for the diesel...
Another thing over here with lots of mountain roads and long slopes on highways, is that the diesel and its torque provide quite a dynamic/sustained 'sporty' feeling, at reasonable speed and very smooth/linear with DSG...
Anyhow, different people have different preferences, and we're all just a bunch of delighted EOS owners!!! Aren't we?
Fred
As 2.0 TDI DSG driver, I needed to enter the discussion...
I'd be happy to drive a 2.0TFSI or 3.2 EOS... Yet I made a money/reason-based decision, due to speedometers mushrooming everywhere here, and to my bank account that I wanted to allow me other plesaures in life!!!
If I had more money to spend on a convertible, I'd have chosen a 2-seater, a 6+ cylinder, 300hp+ sports-convertible, and that would have been a thirsty noisy mean shiny german ot italian dreamcar... for a 'real' experience... Now, I needed a true 4-seater, at a reasonable price and the 2.0 TDI EOS sounded as best value for money, since not even the 3.2 gasoline can provide the sound/musical pleasure of a Ferrari or BMW M3 convertible, although, again, I'd have loved to get one and decided last minute to change for the diesel...
Another thing over here with lots of mountain roads and long slopes on highways, is that the diesel and its torque provide quite a dynamic/sustained 'sporty' feeling, at reasonable speed and very smooth/linear with DSG...
Anyhow, different people have different preferences, and we're all just a bunch of delighted EOS owners!!! Aren't we?
Fred
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Hi
As 2.0 TDI DSG driver, I needed to enter the discussion...
I'd be happy to drive a 2.0TFSI or 3.2 EOS... Yet I made a money/reason-based decision, due to speedometers mushrooming everywhere here, and to my bank account that I wanted to allow me other plesaures in life!!!
If I had more money to spend on a convertible, I'd have chosen a 2-seater, a 6+ cylinder, 300hp+ sports-convertible, and that would have been a thirsty noisy mean shiny german ot italian dreamcar... for a 'real' experience... Now, I needed a true 4-seater, at a reasonable price and the 2.0 TDI EOS sounded as best value for money, since not even the 3.2 gasoline can provide the sound/musical pleasure of a Ferrari or BMW M3 convertible, although, again, I'd have loved to get one and decided last minute to change for the diesel...
Another thing over here with lots of mountain roads and long slopes on highways, is that the diesel and its torque provide quite a dynamic/sustained 'sporty' feeling, at reasonable speed and very smooth/linear with DSG...
Anyhow, different people have different preferences, and we're all just a bunch of delighted EOS owners!!! Aren't we?
Fred
Quite so - and you've got a great car whichever engine you've chosen!
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I wouldn't buy a diesel for the same reason why I wouldn't buy a Skoda. I don't care how good they are now or how much they've improved since the bad old days, you just can't get rid of that stigma.
I don't think the diesel is the wrong decision in the EOS, it just wouldn't ever be my choice.
I don't think the diesel is the wrong decision in the EOS, it just wouldn't ever be my choice.
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with the rising cost of fuel and tax i did try a deisel EOS the other day and i did not like it at all
it is still noisy and it does vibrate and the whole driving experience is spoilt
also as it was a manual it had the typical clutch vibration through the pedal that ALL VW Audis have
personally i think the public has been duped by the manufactures into buying deisel cars to the point its become an epedemic. i have to drive a deisel van for work and every trip to the petrol station is a nightmare trying to avoid spillage.
i think the manufactures wasted to much time on deisel instead of producing better petrol engines like the TFSI which given todays higher price of deisel seems a better choice as its cheaper to buy and run and sounds and feels a lot better
deisel now costs 10% more than petrol wiping out the 10% better mpg improvement over the 1.4 tsi plus it will cost you nearly 2 grand more
add to that all the deisels pitfalls and i am dismayed as to why anyone would buy one
as for torque, if you dont like changing gear so often then get an auto
it is still noisy and it does vibrate and the whole driving experience is spoilt
also as it was a manual it had the typical clutch vibration through the pedal that ALL VW Audis have
personally i think the public has been duped by the manufactures into buying deisel cars to the point its become an epedemic. i have to drive a deisel van for work and every trip to the petrol station is a nightmare trying to avoid spillage.
i think the manufactures wasted to much time on deisel instead of producing better petrol engines like the TFSI which given todays higher price of deisel seems a better choice as its cheaper to buy and run and sounds and feels a lot better
deisel now costs 10% more than petrol wiping out the 10% better mpg improvement over the 1.4 tsi plus it will cost you nearly 2 grand more
add to that all the deisels pitfalls and i am dismayed as to why anyone would buy one
as for torque, if you dont like changing gear so often then get an auto
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