So I tested the 6 pins that had connections in the mini plug, and none of them had voltage, however, since I had the face plate off, and the radio out, I decided to pull the climate control as well, and guess what I found? a switched 12v, right underneath. I have the cd changer/sat radio and the dual zone cliamte control (3 dials) (just in case wiring is different between features) on the largest of the 3 harnesses to the climate control, there are 2 larger wires, brown=ground, the other =switched 12v. since its right under the radio theres no need to snake wires either, very clean solution. Thanks for the advice, and pointing me in the right direction. I'll post a pic of the connector and wires once I get the image off my camera. again, thanks!