[tezmand]

hi all you stylish eos owners , can you help me i need to get some of that lubricant you have been chatting about for the seals (not what you were thinking you dirty dogs lol) is it krytox ? where do i get it from and price please before you all shout from your vw dealer ive been there and the people in the parts dept havnt heard of it so he went to ask in the service dept and one person knew what he was on a bout but said you need a number to order it can you believe it this is the vw at wolverhampton so we walked out in disgust, they were so helpful to sell us the car but the after sales is shit. also where do we have to put it when we finally get some is it just on the seals ? thanks for your help in answering me cos i know you will lol

 

[cb391]

The pt# for the liquid is G 052 172 A1 and G 052 172 A2 for the aerosol (if it is still available). Don't know what it will cost you over there but here it costs 37 to 52 USD and that is for the liquid,approximately 30ml. As for application one of the forum members at vw vortex \Eos posted instructions with pix that should help (www.vwvortex.com). Select forums, VW, and Eos. It will be one of the first postings.

 

[davidp]

Hi tezmand,

heres a copy of an email from the UK krytox supplier, they sound very hepful. I was going to order a bottle but my dealer gave me a bottle of the VW stuff with the car, which was a unexpected suprise as they hadnt heard about it till I emailed them before collecting the car. I havnt used it yet as despite torrential rain the car hasnt leaked since getting it three weeks ago.
Love the car by the way, real pleasure to drive.
Cheers, david
************************
Dear David

Thank you for your enquiry - we have been contacted by, and supplied, many Eos owners during the last couple of months.
We are the official UK Distributor for DuPont Krytox lubricants.

Most found us via the 'VW Vortex' forum.

Overview

The main function of Krytox for the coupe/cabrio application is to act as a semi-permanent lubricant film to eliminate creaks originating from elastomer/panel interfaces for the roof sections, and roof mechanism linkages/location points.
In the case of the VW Eos, the majority of owners are also reporting water leaks, and our initial thought was that Krytox is not intended to address this directly.
However, having seen the entries on the various Owners Forums, and spoken with several owners, we have a better understanding of the issues.

It seems that as the vehicle is supplied, there is a possibility for 'dry' seals to become distorted when roof is closed, and these distortions may be sufficient to allow water ingress.
It is considered that treatment of the seal sections with Krytox will provide a very low friction surface, allowing panels to offer up to the seals more readily, reducing the scope for distortion.

The Industry Standard Krytox grade for anti-squeak and rattle is GPL 105 - this is the PFPE material in oil form.
The most convenient pack size is 30ml applicator bottle with fabric wick cap.
The material is also available in grease form as GPL 205 - the GPL 105 oil is thickened with microfine PTFE to provide a pure white paste.
We also attach the TDS for your information.

We would suggest that the oil is the most appropriate version for treating the relative large surface area of elastomer seal, and perhaps consider the grease for treating the roof linkages.

Key considerations

- seal material needs to be squeaky clean before application of Krytox - free of body wax, silicone etc. We use IMS as a solvent for achieving this.
- application amounts need to be minimal - avoid temptation to overapply. Be cautious of contamination onto unwanted areas such as glass and paint (very difficult to remove!!)
- the applicator bottle is quite convenient, although we find fingers the best method to apply the product. Can work well into the seals, and get into the nooks and crannies which are guaranteed to be the source of noise. Krytox is a very safe and inert material (both to operator and substrate) - does not cause seal swell or cracking.

We attach a relevant link from VWVortex below - as a US entry referring to application of Krytox to the EOS roof system.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3087297

This shows the person applying via the nozzle of the bottle, rather than the applicator cap - and to our mind, the application looks a bit heavy, but it gives a good indication of the areas for treating.

Durability

Krytox is not considered to be a 'temporary' fix.
It does not suffer water-washout, does not oxidise, and does not migrate. DuPont have carried out fluorine flame testing on treated door seal sections 4 years after application, and found comparable levels to those at time of application.


Pricing

Krytox GPL 105 applicator bottle, 30ml £16.50/30ml bottle
Krytox GPL 205 grease, 2 oz £16.70/2oz tube

Both are ex stock, and prices are ex VAT, ex works.

We accept Credit Card payment (excepting Amex and Diners), our minimum order quantity is £30.00, so we would suggest you take either x2 of the bottle, or perhaps one of each bottle + grease.
We can ship these amounts in a Jiffy bag in the post - allow £3.50 for Post and Packing.

All contact information is below - please call if you need more data, or to place an order.

With best regards
Anne Law
Office Administrator
GBR Technology Limited
Tel: +44 118 9820567
Fax: +44 118 9820590

 

[anna_r]

tez - it must be a midland thing, as the one in Birmingham didn't know what I was talking about either, and I took the manual in with me!

Has the kryotex one been confirmed as the same as the VW one - so there is no come back on us voiding warrantes etc?

 

[shorenuf]

"Krytox is not considered to be a 'temporary' fix.
It does not suffer water-washout, does not oxidise, and does not migrate. DuPont have carried out fluorine flame testing on treated door seal sections 4 years after application, and found comparable levels to those at time of application."

If only that were true, but from what EOS owners are reporting, they have been, or plan to reapply Krytox as often as every two to three months.

"seal material needs to be squeaky clean before application of Krytox - free of body wax, silicone etc. We use IMS as a solvent for achieving this."

In all the posts I have read, no one has mentioned anything like that. I imagine they might run through the car wash, or hand wash the car before a re-application, but no one has mentioned using a solvent cleaner.

Curiouser and Curiouser, said Alice.

 

[tezmand]

hi anna r trust it to be a midland thing eh! we get no help with anything do we lol , so vw do there own lubrication do they so which do i use ?

 

[tezmand]

The pt# for the liquid is G 052 172 A1 and G 052 172 A2 for the aerosol (if it is still available). Don't know what it will cost you over there but here it costs 37 to 52 USD and that is for the liquid,approximately 30ml. As for application one of the forum members at vw vortex \Eos posted instructions with pix that should help (www.vwvortex.com). Select forums, VW, and Eos. It will be one of the first postings.

link isnt working

 

[shorenuf]

this is it again . . .

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3087297

 

[tezmand]

thankyou again

 

[anna_r]

I don't know! I was quoted something like 41 quid for the 30ml bottle from vw - although they then told me that I would have to go to an audi garage and get some.

It seems that the kyrotex is the same stuff, but no-one is 100% sure!

 

[tezmand]

I don't know! I was quoted something like 41 quid for the 30ml bottle from vw - although they then told me that I would have to go to an audi garage and get some.

It seems that the kyrotex is the same stuff, but no-one is 100% sure!

i dont think v w know themselves as a sales man told me it was about £5 what a laugh cant get over the after sales its really shit

 

[don coffey]

Interesting post, I have saved the excellent link to my favourites and will be using it in the future. As for the poor after sales some of you have experienced, this is shocking. Given that the dealers are on very tight margins as it is, you would think they would take any opportunity possible to get extra sales, and although the Krytox may cost around £40 the dealer will probably pay less than £10 per bottle.

 

[GOgg]

Krytox is the same as the VW product and the one they use. Only one maker for the world, Dupont.
I doubt they only pay £10 a bottle its very expensive stuff to make.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Krytox Ordered

I ordered Krytox from GBR Technologies on Thursday, as the post above states there is a minimum order value so have ordered 2 bottles and am going halves with fliernoel (see post 'krytox'). Costs also shown on the email posted above. I spoke with Anne and she was very helpful and knew all about our site!

Might be an idea for you if there's anyone nearby.

I had thought afterwards that if the proposed 'London to Brighton Eosathon' or a northern equivalent takes place, someone could order a larger amount at therefore a reduced unit value and sell them on the day.

I also had blank looks from VW sales and repairs people!

Sue

 

[Pepino]

I also had blank looks from VW sales and repairs people!

Sue

I have been pretty disappointed about VW employee knowledge about the EOS. I knew more about the car then my salesperson when I made the purchase. It looks like it will be a while before the technical specs of the EOS catches more attention.

 

[Zazou]

I made an appointment to have my 5000 mile service done. I asked about krytox and the parts manager did not know what I was talking about. I told him it was for the seals on the EOS. He tried to sell me some kind of VW lubricant in a spray can that contained silicone. I told him that the owners manual stated that you should not use silicone based products on the seals. I got the part number from the VW forum and called him back up and asked if he could order it and he said sure, for $62.00... I told him that I could get it for $38.00 and that VW lowered the price to $52.00, so he is definitely making a profit. Oh, and he told me that if I ordered off the internet, it will be about the same price after shipping and handling was added..... Go figure!

 

[SoCalMan]

He tried to sell me some kind of VW lubricant in a spray can that contained silicone. I told him that the owners manual stated that you should not use silicone based products on the seals.

That dealer is pathetic.

 

[don coffey]

Krytox is the same as the VW product and the one they use. Only one maker for the world, Dupont.
I doubt they only pay £10 a bottle its very expensive stuff to make.

Although I admit to guessing the wholesale price, you may be surprised at just what sort of retail mark up is out there. When an item is unique, retailers will look to make more profit, this is common sense given that it can be off set against items that are available from a wide range of sources such as tyres and therefore far more competitive.

That aside, what is disappointing is the amount of members reporting a lack of knowledge from the dealers. A little of the correct knowledge here would give confidence to the customer, increase sales for the dealership and make the overall dealer experience all the better.

Don