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Early on in the thread Paddy OPlastic said:

Have you tried disconnecting the battery for a while?
He may not have known the reason why this might have helped you and 'a while' might have to be overnight. But he was on the right lines. If you charged the battery whilst leaving it still connected to the car (bad thing to do), nothing would change.
 
Horses aren't much different environmentally to cars. They would poo on the (horse) roads potentially spreading disease, belch and gas a lot damaging the ozone layer and consume masses of food relative to their energy output thus starving humans of their food. They could get foot & mouth disease or another illness needing expensive (diagnostics) & veterinary car (servicing). Horses also need regular excercise and garage like accomodation warm in Winter and when they wear out (scrapped), you have to dispose of them safely and in accordance with hygene regulations. :):)

Husky dog teams and wheeled sleds would have a lower carbon (foot) print compared to (hoof) print, eat less and need a smaller garage (kennel).
 
Horses aren't much different environmentally to cars. They would poo on the (horse) roads potentially spreading disease, belch and gas a lot damaging the ozone layer and consume masses of food relative to their energy output thus starving humans of their food. They could get foot & mouth disease or another illness needing expensive (diagnostics) & veterinary car (servicing). Horses also need regular excercise and garage like accomodation warm in Winter and when they wear out (scrapped), you have to dispose of them safely and in accordance with hygene regulations. :):)

Husky dog teams and wheeled sleds would have a lower carbon (foot) print compared to (hoof) print, eat less and need a smaller garage (kennel).
Vox,

I am old enough to remember when horse-drawn bakers, milk and other home delivery services were commonplace - before the advent of horse-nappies [diapers for those who do not understand proper English:unsure:] , I and other kids in the street would grab a bucket and shovel kept near the front house gate and race out to collect the regular deposits by the horses as they were much-valued garden fertiliser - no need for street cleaners!!.

In Australia, most homes were on large blocks of land with lots of open space and we had home gardens with a plentiful supply of home-grown fruit and vegetables [usually father's pride] and front garden flower beds [usually mother's joy]. Because the delivery horses were stabled and usually fed with hay, the deposits were usually free of weed seeds and any that were there were destroyed by composting before fertilising the garden.

The baker and "milko's" horses were incredible - they knew the delivery routine for every street and the driver would get off to do the house deliveries and the horse would amble off down the street on their own to a point where they would wait for the driver to come back to the cart to reload the delivery basket. Friday being pay day often saw two baker deliveries, the first being the morning bread cart and afternoon was the wood-fired hot pie cart [I can still remember the irresistible smell even now 60+ years later] to capitalise on father's full pay packet and his conscience before he went to the local pub and then coming home for tea/dinner around 6.30/7.00pm.
 
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