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Anyone using regular or mid-grade 89 octane fuel in their 2.0T gas/petrol Eos? And if so, do you hear any pinging? So far, all I have used in mine is the 91 octane. I figure at a little over a buck extra a tank for 91 octane, it's cheap insurance from screwing up the engine with deposits.

Still, with the price of gas hitting new highs almost daily, it might be nice to have the option of burning slightly cheaper fuel. If I were to get into that game, I think I would only do it on road trips that involve very little stop and go driving.

We have a 99 Acura TL that recommends premium fuel, but sometimes on a road trip, we drop back and use 89 octane and have never had any pinging.
 

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I cant believe you can get 89 in the USA!! In Oz the lowest octane rating for standard ULP is 91 to 92, PULP is 95 to 98, I use 98 (Shell Vortex) and Shell even provide product that has an octane rating of 100. Typically standard UPL costs now on average $1.35 AUD which equates to apprxo 4.75 USD per US Gallon. How much per US gallon does you 91 octane fuel cost?
 

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Anyone using regular or mid-grade 89 octane fuel in their 2.0T gas/petrol Eos? .
We can only get 95 or 98 octane here in UK (as far as I am aware). I tend to mix them up a bit. I have a feeling that I get better mpg on the higher octane, premium, fuel (achieved 39.5mpg on a long run recently), but I haven't tested it properly. As you say, fuel costs just keep going up (there only seems to be one direction of travel, no matter what the crude price!).

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We can only get 95 or 98 octane here in UK (as far as I am aware). I tend to mix them up a bit. I have a feeling that I get better mpg on the higher octane, premium, fuel (achieved 39.5mpg on a long run recently), but I haven't tested it properly. As you say, fuel costs just keep going up (there only seems to be one direction of travel, no matter what the crude price!).

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Think octane ratings are different in the US. There is a thread on this going back a year or so.

Their 93 is our 97 or something like that..



 

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I was told by my dealer to use regular gas (85-87 oct) at altatuides above 3000 ft. and I have been doing so for over a year now and I have had no problems. I live in the Rocky Mountins and seldom drive below 3000 ft.

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I just started this concept of using lower octane fuel. I'm on my second tank of midgrade and so far I haven't noticed any difference. Where I live, it is basically flat so the car never works that hard anyway. I may try regular but still intend to use premium every 3rd or 4th fill up. Using lower octanes should not cause any pinging but may result in lower performance when driving up hills with more weight in the car. The car's computer can do some amazing things. US and rest of the world figures octane differently. Our 93 is 98 elsewhere. Here in the US premium is generally 91 to 93 with a few places selling 94. Regular is generally 87 although some areas have 86. Midgrade is normally 89 and sometimes 90.
 

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This thread got me curious, I have used both 89 and 91 octane in my Eos and could not tell the difference during normal driving --- from the data on Octane I have copied in below, it seems that you get lower maximum horsepower with the lower octane gas, as a result you would have to spin the engine at higher rpm to get the same acceleration time. If you don't drive your Eos hard then you probally will never see any difference with the lower octane gas.

Bottom line - if VW supported use of 89 octane fuel then they would have to claim a lower horsepower output for the Eos and would have to claim slower acceleration times.

Here is the geek speak regarding Octane, copied from the Wikipedia Octane Article:

Using a fuel with a higher octane lets an engine run at a higher compression ratio without having problems with knock. Actual compression in the combustion chamber is determined by the compression ratio as well as the amount of air restriction in the intake manifold (manifold vacuum) as well as the barometric pressure, which is a function of elevation and weather conditions.​
Using high octane fuel for an engine makes a difference when the engine is producing its maximum power or when under a high load such as climbing a large hill or carrying excessive weight. This will occur when the intake manifold has no air restriction and is running at minimum vacuum. Depending on the engine design, this particular circumstance can be anywhere along the RPM range, but is usually easy to pinpoint if you can examine a printout of the power output (torque values) of an engine.​
When this occurs, if a fuel with below recommended octane is used, the engine will knock. Modern engines have anti-knock provisions built into the control systems and this is usually achieved by dynamically de-tuning the engine while under load by increasing the fuel-air mixture and retarding the spark. For a specific test case, the engine maximum power was reduced by about 4% with a fuel switch from 93 to 91 octane (11 hp, from 291 to 280 hp). If the engine is being run below maximum load, the difference in octane will have even less effect. For each 1000 feet of altitude the atmospheric pressure will drop by a little less than 11 kPa/km (1 inHg). An engine that might require 93 octane at sea level may perform at maximum on a fuel rated at 91 octane if the elevation is over, say, 1000 feet.​
In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in the United States, Canada and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and even deliver 98 (RON) or 100 (RON).​
 

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I've been using 89 for over a two months now with no problems.

We can see from one of the above posts that the engine loses efficiency (power) when you use lower octane, resulting in performance loss. I think that is a given, at this point. Thus, at any given speed, it takes more gas to go from point A to point B.

Put another way, assume you can walk a mile in 5 minutes. Then your "energy" is reduced by 4% ( like wearing ankle weights) and you are asked to walk that same mile also in 5 minutes. You would have to expend more energy to do so, because you are 4% weaker, so to speak.

Also, some petrol refiners put less detergent in their lower octane gasoline than what they put into "premium". If that's the case, time will tell if using lower octane results in more valve stem deposits, etc.

Seems to me, switching to a lower octane to save $ is potentially false economy on a number of levels. But this is just my two cents. :)
 

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I just went out to check the info om my gas tank lid. It says to use Premium 91 grade ((R+M)/2) and in French below it to use Super 95 grade (RON). I figure the French wording is for sale of the car in Canada and that Super is not regular. But if the RON is what Europe uses then the same applies to number difference. As for the detergent levels, all brands may not have the same detergent and quailty levels. So it would be easy to guess that lesser grade levels would probably have little or no detergents. Some oil companies have heavily advertised their detergent additive packages, Shell being the current one. In the past Mobil and American/Standard (now BP) have done this and maybe others.
Changing from Premium to lesser grades may not be the way to go in theory, but are there any long term studies to the contrary. Mostly we only hear about the performance and antiknock aspect and to whether one grade is cleaner or not. Here in the US, there are no laws on the books that say that all gas has to be identical past the EPA mandates for air pollution levels of CO
CO2, NO, and SO. The oil companies can pretty much add or remove anything else as long as it does not affect pollution. The cost of going to lesser grades of gas depending on how you drive or how far you drive may not make economic sense. Adding your own additives to your tank to make up for the lack of detergents may or may not be cost effective in the long run. I have always been a proponent for using the fuel the car manufacturer recommends but the price of almost $4 USD per US Gallon and my financial situation is giving me pause to rethink.
 

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Looking at the higher octane question of increased fuel economy, does it help? The bottom line answer is emphatically no!! High octane premium gas does not increase fuel economy one bit. The octane rating is a number that has nothing to do with how efficient it is in creating energy to run your engine.

The octane rating of gasoline is a relative number showing the amount of isooctane in the gasoline as opposed to the amount of heptane in the gasoline. To make it simple, the octane rating is a representation of how much energy it takes to ignite that gasoline. This octane measurement does not indicate the amount of energy the gasoline produces, which would be an indicator of fuel economy. The final answer is:eek:ctane rating and increased fuel economy have no relationship whatsoever!

The second question concerning premium gas making your car run better. Does it? The plain and simple answer once again is no, there is absolutely no significant difference in the performance of your car if you use premium gas.

I must add this one caveat, having said there is no performance gain, it is possible your car could show an increase of a little more horsepower with premium than with regular gas but it would be very hard for you to notice the difference. This slight possibility only allows VW a little extra marketing advantage by using this claim on higher horsepower as part of their advertising.

VW utilizes this slight horsepower gain to market their cars claiming more horsepower by optimizing and designing their cars to take advantage of higher octane premium gasoline's anti-knock properties. Engineers and car experts agree that if you opt to use regular gasoline in your car designed for premium gasoline, the loss of horsepower is so small, you will not be able to detect any difference.

There is a misconception that you can void your warranty or harm your car if you use regular gas and your car maker suggests that you should use high octane premium gas. Most car makers admit that using regular gasoline even when the owner's guide suggests the use of premium gas won't void your warranty. They also stipulate that using regular will not damage the engine.

Another poster stated that premium is formulated with better quality - not true! However it is true that different blends are sold by different stations. There was a test of gasoline in the USA and of all places, QuickTrip's fuel was rated the best quality!
 

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Estimate of Cost

I estimate that the cost over 100,000 kms of driving for the premium grade will be about $1200.00 more than if you were using regular. In my mind that is not great considering that the capital cost for the car $40K - $45K. I live in a hilly area and on previous vehicle I noticed a substantial difference between regular and premium on the uphill grades - more power and eliminated pinging. I will stick with Premium in my new EOS and keep it a vigin.
 

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I estimate that the cost over 100,000 kms of driving for the premium grade will be about $1200.00 more than if you were using regular. In my mind that is not great considering that the capital cost for the car $40K - $45K. I live in a hilly area and on previous vehicle I noticed a substantial difference between regular and premium on the uphill grades - more power and eliminated pinging. I will stick with Premium in my new EOS and keep it a vigin.
I notice a difference as well, however I can understand that some might not, depending on driving habits and experience.
 
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