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You get the same thing trying to get pre and after sales technical info on Chinese made products. Too many sellers of the same thing who know knothing, just sell boxes and send links or robot generated replies because it ticks their customer service response box.

I always think if you cant get a decent reply to messages or nobody answers the 'phone, you can expect problems getting information after buying or returning an item for refund or under warranty. A glitzy web page link says nothing about the business. Best to get actual honest customer views first. In U.K we have some pretty good consumer laws and protection. But be aware, the moment an item is custom made to your specification, it comes outside most consumer protection.
 

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Sounds a bit iffy? There are plenty of websites with fantastic marketing info that want your money, but it's what goes on behind that counts.

I'm just getting p*ssed off with Ebay at the mo. Many sellers listing on Ebay are using Ebay as 'Facilitators'. When you try to contact a seller about a problem, non arrival of items, tracking info held at shipped but nothing moving, or returns, they say 'Oh that's Ebays problem, we (The seller) ship all our stuff to their warehouse and non-delivery, damaged goods on arrival, or not what you ordered is their problem! I also see Seller payments are now going to 'Ebay Commerce' not directly to the seller. I see an interesting Distant Selling consumer law case challenge coming up soon.
 

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I've been an Ebay member for 21 years but my experience is mostly with buying! Ebay trading has changed since they dropped PayPal as a default payment method. All payments from buyers like me go to 'eBay Commerce UK Ltd' not directly to the seller, look at your card statements. In the past, sellers would faciltate their own delivery using parcel firms like DPD, DHL, Evri etc. But now sellers moving a lot of items use and pay eBay to be their 'facilitator' to manage the money transfer between buyer & seller and shipping items you bought. It seems similar to Amazon warehousing. A seller stocks a warehouse/storage unit with their items and the orders coming in are fulfilled by a third party who a seller may have less control over?

The tracking systems used by carriers can be exploited by flaws in their system. A tracking number can be generated immediately you checkout, but the item may not actually be in stock and you will see no movement of the item you bought from the first stage of 'Item despatched'. Another trick: If you clicked by mistake at checkout, you have no time to submit an eBay automated cancellation request for a refund after a tracking number has been (automatically?) generated. You have to ask the seller nicely via eBay messaging to cancel your mistaken order which they might refuse, or not reply to your mesage.

When you receive an item, its barcode is scanned as confirmation they delivered it. But it could be scanned and left at the wrong address! eBay uses the tracking delivered confirmation to prove delivery if you raise an item not delivered case. That's why some carriers are now taking a phone photo of the item where it was left and most are 'Drop & run'. We see this many times on our CCTV, no call is made, the item is left and they get away as quick as possible. Even when an item has a tracking label, the delivery company may not scan its barcode but use their mobile phone to a call center to say 'Item delivered'.

IMHO Asian sellers may try to pass off fakes and items 'not as described', but I've always managed to get eBay refunds because the items are usually sent with valid tracking numbers. The problem with some Asian sellers is they use fake returns addresses and UK post codes. I use Google Earth to check a post code address returns location and add my own 'from' address so it comes back to me. When you return an item tracked with an eBay return label, it never gets delivered and may come back to you a week later! eBay returns system has to see their barcode scanned at the seller address before you are refunded. The other trick they use is to send a totally different cheap and insignificant item without enclosing paperwork and you have to be a detective to link it to the real item you bought. I've had more success using eBay for Asian items than Ali, it's harder to get problems sorted and money back with Ali. Also Chinese websites often list many items they do not stock, they are just fishing and will try to source an item after you pay them.

I have used eBay for house and room renovation projects in the past. But it's when you order multiple items needed for a project you see the flaws which now seem to be on the delivery and order fulfilment side? For me, eBay has now become the Wild West of online buying with more loopholes being exploited by the larger companies and a disproportionate amount of my time spent on 'Chat' to raise a case and get it resolved. eBay still works well for private sellers of individual items concerned to get good feedback and keep their reputation.

An interesting issue for U.K consumer law and your rights is where the Contract between you lies when goods are bought online from a seller, but payment is made indirectly to eBay acting as a third party facilitator? I suspect you have no rights until after some (long) time until eBay releases payment to the seller?
 

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My recent problems are with bulk trade sellers who shift many items and use Ebays managed services. The economic landscape in U.K has changed since Covid. Transport and fuel costs have increased and there's a shortage of courier drivers (who want more pay). Trade sellers maximising their profit margins won't be choosing more expensive established reputable companies like UPS with smart brown vans and uniforms.

The experience of auction buying and order fulfillment in U.K can be different to other countries, particularly if there are unionised or regulated parcel courier companies and very few free market small businesses competing to run run delivery services. I find individual and private sellers gernerally helpful and willing to help if there's a problem. I don't sell much and PayPal adds some extra protection for buyers to get their money back if Ebays automated returns system or customer service can't resolve a problem. It's better for buyers to have have something extra than not at all. If a seller doesn't accept PayPal in their listing, the buyer can probably find the item at a similar price from a seller who does.
 

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China sellers amuse me when they post links to a factory in their listings showing a magnificent high tech. building, clean rooms and workers in laundered white coveralls beavering away at their work stations and so many approvals certificates. The same factory links can used by several or more sellers moving boxes or acting as marketing agents for distributors. IMHO it's how good it performs to spec. (fake or real) and how easy it is to get it returned and refunded that really matters?
 
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