[aku-aku]

Thanks both! I hope this will end up helping someone out and making the task a little less mammoth for them.

I should also mention that wtyczkolandia.pl were a great help in getting the last connectors I needed to me next day - I think I bought pretty much all the wiring and pin connectors from them too, and they're one of the few places that will sell you a Micro Timer pin removal tool.

I took my Eos for a drive yesterday and I've got to do something about the road noise from the rear - the sound of winter tyres on snow is a bit much! I can't apply the alubutyl noise damping I bought until the weather warms up, but I have some nice solid foam carpet underlay that I can stick under the back seat as a temporary measure to see what gains are possible. The Dynaudio retrofit was still a worthwhile improvement, as the higher quality sound leads to less ear fatigue - but I know what my next task is now...

 

[KellyOnley]

Hi...I have tracked down the amplifier, amplifier mount/bracket, armrest, rear vent tubes, Media Bay Armrest insert, multifunction steering wheel. I still need the nuts and bolts to connect the armrest. It would be really nice to have the steering wheel airbag harness for the MFSW too, along with the control module.
Regarding the DynAudio specifically, I have no idea how to build this cable still. Navisource hasn't really gotten back with me with details about the cable.
I've found out the pinouts of the 24 and 23 pin connector of the amp. But even with it, I'm not sure where to get the connectors, wire, how to hook it all up, and how long to make each of the wires.

 

[voxmagna]

This one's for aku-aku: I have my door card off at the moment and had a good feel around the back of the stock (rivetted) base driver. The magnet seems rather small and puny to me with no integral mid range cone? Since it's original OE in MY07 it's unlikely to be high strength Neodymium. Any comments on what size magnets are on the door speakers in DynAudio?

 

[aku-aku]

This one's for aku-aku: I have my door card off at the moment and had a good feel around the back of the stock (rivetted) base driver. The magnet seems rather small and puny to me with no integral mid range cone? Since it's original OE in MY07 it's unlikely to be high strength Neodymium. Any comments on what size magnets are on the door speakers in DynAudio?

I don't know exactly how big the magnets are, but the body supporting the magnet is pretty big, probably about 9cm diameter - and the speakers are pretty heavy, much heavier than the stock Philips drivers. I think the voice coils are 75mm, which gives you an idea of the size of the magnet - but Dynaudio's website doesn't have the specification of the magnet, even for their aftermarket Esotec system, which has similar drivers to those installed in VWs. The magnet could be neodymium or ferrite, as Dynaudio use both. One fine day I will disassemble the woofer I have that was DOA, then I will know a little more

 

[aku-aku]

Regarding the DynAudio specifically, I have no idea how to build this cable still. Navisource hasn't really gotten back with me with details about the cable.
I've found out the pinouts of the 24 and 23 pin connector of the amp. But even with it, I'm not sure where to get the connectors, wire, how to hook it all up, and how long to make each of the wires.

For the connectors, you need an electronics specialist or a good independent car audio DIY store. You can get the wire from the same place, you just need standard insulated wire in the thicknesses specified.

The way I added the wiring was not to create the loom in one go, but to run the wires and cut and crimp them in place as I did the installation - that way I know that they will be the right length. I didn't specify the lengths of each wire run because I don't know the exact lengths I used - but the information in the posts further up this topic should be enough for you to get the job done.

Are there any specifics that you're missing from the instructions? I think when you have eyes on the task each step should be fairly clear.

 

[voxmagna]

I don't know exactly how big the magnets are, but the body supporting the magnet is pretty big, probably about 9cm diameter - and the speakers are pretty heavy, much heavier than the stock Philips drivers. I think the voice coils are 75mm, which gives you an idea of the size of the magnet - but Dynaudio's website doesn't have the specification of the magnet, even for their aftermarket Esotec system, which has similar drivers to those installed in VWs. The magnet could be neodymium or ferrite, as Dynaudio use both. One fine day I will disassemble the woofer I have that was DOA, then I will know a little more

Thanks, so I guess I must have the stock Philips drivers in MY07 and for that year the magnet would be ferrite and less efficient than a modern replacement? I have noticed the edges on my rubber gasket surrounds look a bit ragged as though a critter has eaten the rubber, but they seem to have been made that way? My base system or my ageing ears seem to lack mid range sparkle and a decent stereo sound image. The door tweeters aren't large enough for that. Do you know if mid range units are used anywhere in the standard speaker setup? The door units are too low down near the carpets for a concentric mid range cone to work well. The stock sound system in wifeys Skoda is much better, but then there's lot more soft trim inside the cabin.

They use larger voice coils to handle more power, but it doesn't always follow they will use soup plate magnets since they trade off efficiency for cheaper manufacturing costs.
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[aku-aku]

Thanks, so I guess I must have the stock Philips drivers in MY07 and for that year the magnet would be ferrite and less efficient than a modern replacement? I have noticed the edges on my rubber gasket surrounds look a bit ragged as though a critter has eaten the rubber, but they seem to have been made that way?

The ones I have aren't ragged, they are an uneven shape though.

My base system or my ageing ears seem to lack mid range sparkle and a decent stereo sound image. The door tweeters aren't large enough for that. Do you know if mid range units are used anywhere in the standard speaker setup? The door units are too low down near the carpets for a concentric mid range cone to work well. The stock sound system in wifeys Skoda is much better, but then there's lot more soft trim inside the cabin.

The mk5 Golf and Jetta got an option of a 10-speaker sound system with some standard mid-range drivers using a passive crossover mounted in the door; the Eos had no such option and the reason we all have grilles for midrange speakers in the door cards is for the few people who added the Dynaudio option. At least it makes retrofitting them easier! That said, the dome-shaped midrange speakers are hard to come by and the rubber gaskets for them even harder. The mounting holes are different to those for the Golf and Jetta midrange speakers too.

 

[aku-aku]

A little addendum to my howto: when I upgraded my central electronics module, I found that there was some interference in the form of buzzing. Eventually, I tracked this down to the input wires to the amplifier, which in my installation run close to a grounding point. It's worth choosing well-insulated wires or wrapping the bundle in aluminium tape to avoid this interference - and fastening the wires so that they pass well below the grounding point. There is a plastic mount around the grounding point that will help you with this.

 

[Marble]

Hello, we have the Dynaudio 10 speaker system in our 2012 EOS Executive (factory installed) and attempting to swap the RNS510 for an RCD330 which has AndroidAuto/ CarPlay.

The RCD330 has been able to be coded and work correctly with, I’m assuming, the 8 speaker Dynaudio setups found in other VWs but we are having issues with getting sound in our 10 speaker setup. All other features work, including the flip camera we installed.

I found this thread and saw that the pinout map was linked for the amp connectors but those links are no longer working.

Does anyone have a working link or pic of the pinout map?

We’re trying to decipher what wires are for what purpose as I believe the RCD330 is just not turning on the amp, hence no sound. We don’t even get the touch tone “beep” when making selections on the screen.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thank you.

 

[aku-aku]

You will need a VAG diagnostic tool like VCDS or OBDeleven to code the RCD330 appropriately. Here's a link to another forum that tells you what you may need to do.

 

[Marble]

You will need a VAG diagnostic tool like VCDS or OBDeleven to code the RCD330 appropriately. Here's a link to another forum that tells you what you may need to do.

Thank you for the response.

I have that link saved, the coding is already done including a change to the boot logo: “Sound by Dynaudio.” I also updated the CAN Gateway and have no errors.

The Golf R uses a different amp in their Dynaudio setup (Blaupunkt). And the seller has also advised that in 2014+ EOS uses a different amp that they know is compatible.

Ultimately I’m looking for what wire, in the plugs of the EOS Dynaudio amp, receive signal from the headunit to power up.

Additionally, I don’t want to go back to the RNS510. If we can’t get the RCD330 to work properly with the EOS Dynaudio amp I need to know the pinout map so that I can add an aftermarket DSP and amp. The RCD330 is too slick to give up on.

 

[aku-aku]

The amplifier is woken up by the head unit over the CAN bus, there isn't a trigger wire as such. If the head unit won't tell it to wake up, you're stuck.

An archive.org copy of the page with the pinout is here. I think it would be worth checking all the connections at the RCD330 end as well, though - you don't yet know whether those are all correct. You can compare the pinout on the RCD330 to the one on your old RNS510 to ensure that nothing has changed position.

 

[voxmagna]

Ultimately I’m looking for what wire, in the plugs of the EOS Dynaudio amp, receive signal from the headunit to power up.

aku will confirm but this was a headache for me with just a radio install. Most modern infotainment kit is now turned on and off using CANbus signals, because our cars no longer have conventional ignition power switches. That means when you buy a radio you can put power on it but not much may happen. The V.W ignition switches have radio only position which you would use when parked. These switch positions are identified by CAN signals. For older radios in modern cars there are some aftermarket 'dongles' that control a relay to give 12V power when a CAN radio on or off signal is received.

 

[Marble]

Appreciate the feedback. I found on Crutchfield that PAC, Metra and CRUX each have their own “dongle” that allows the retention of the OEM Dynaudio amp w/ the use of an aftermarket headunit.

I wonder if I could use one of those and wire up the RCD330 as an aftermarket headunit, allowing any triggers to be handled by the “dongle.”

if not, I guess I could install an aftermarket headunit, like the Alpine iLX-W650. Even though our EOS is far from stock, there’s just something about retaining an OEM headunit. But the RNS was a dinosaur when new, let alone compared to current units.

Has anyone successfully installed an RCD330 on these forums with our Dynaudio setup?

 

[aku-aku]

I remember someone on here commenting about it recently. Searching this forum for RCD330 and sorting by date should throw some results up.

I don’t know how those dongles work - the ideal would be a generic one designed to work with any make of head unit to solve your problem.

 

[Marble]

I remember someone on here commenting about it recently. Searching this forum for RCD330 and sorting by date should throw some results up.

I don’t know how those dongles work - the ideal would be a generic one designed to work with any make of head unit to solve your problem.

I've gone through the search results and posted replies where applicable. Fingers are crossed.

Additionally, I went back through the post from rcd330plus.com and found 2 replies that may assist in getting my issue resolved. One user has a 2012 Scirocco w/ Dynaudio and I'm aware that there are some shared parts between the EOS and Scirocco. Additionally there was a user who has a 2009 EOS w/ Dynaudio. I'm hoping that they are able to reply back with some details.

Thanks again y'all.

Marble

 

[aku-aku]

I spotted in one of your other posts that the revision F amplifier is made by Lear. That’s interesting as the early ones were made by Lear; the one I retrofitted (revision D) was made by Blaupunkt. I’d suggest looking for a different version of the amplifier but they’re pretty rare and not cheap either!

As I recall the Dynaudio setup in the Eos (both speakers and amplifier) is closest to the one installed in the Passat, and (somewhat unbelievably) close to what’s the T5 Multivan too. That may help you find more clues.

 

[RobbieShould]

Great write up . I am installing a Dynaudio system in my Mark 6 R cabriolet sourced from Mark 6 GTI cabriolet. The majority is a straight swop - golf speakers for dynaudio as `follows : Pillar tweeter x2, Front woofers x 2 , Rear combined mid range and tweeter x 2. However the Dynaudio set up has the lear amplifier to be added on retrofit and a subwoofer speaker that fits into a special mounting called holder for speaker passengers side left in VW parts books. With the RNS 315 everything seems straight forward as I have the amplifier and subwoofer speaker which is a standard Dynaudio woofer. once the loom and fittings are made up.
However it It looks likely the speaker holder for subwoofer speaker will be hard to get hold of and since then Dynaudio subwoofers are now put in the spare wheel which would fit my 19 inc spare.
If anyone has or can source a mark 6 cabriolet speaker holder I would be very interested.

One question however for the subwoofer I cannot see the RNS 315 has a subwoofer output nor my amplifier having a sub input or output .

Where does the signal to the subwoofer come from , head unit , amplifier , or spliced into either speakers out from head unit or speakers in from amplifier.
Even if I purchased the new Dynaudio sub speaker which fits in the boot I would also need a signal , Where oh where does the subwoofer get its signal on a Dynaudio VW system . Any help appreciated am I missing Something.

 

[aku-aku]

Which amplifier do you have? (Part number, and a photo of the connector, would be a great help) Also, what year is the car you've sourced the parts from, and what head unit did it have?

The subwoofer will get its signal from the amplifier, there's no question about that. The question is whether you have an amplifier that would support the subwoofer.